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FYI - Survey on OSI in the Internet
Susan Hares (Editor??)
March 14, 1991
Version 1
DRAFT FYI - SURVEY on OSI in the Internet
1.) Status
This document is intended to be an FYI describing OSI usage in
the Internet. This document is a reference for people looking
into using OSI in the Internet. It contains the current status
of OSI use at the network layer and at the application layer.
This documents lists the results of an OSI survey taken during
February -July of 1992.
Each network's survey information contains a date at which the
information was received.
2.) Abstract
This document summarizes the results of a survey of OSI usage in
the Internet. This OSI survey looks at the current and future
plans of networks to support the passing of traffic using the ISO
Connectionless Network protocol (CLNP) ISO 8473 [1]. In addition
to gauge what sort of ISO traffic may be passing, the survey
presents results on the use of OSI applications and DECNet Phase
5.
The document has the following sections:
1.) Status
2.) Abstract
3.) Introduction
4.) What Questions the Survey Asked
5.) Timeframe of Survey
6.) List of responders to the survey
7.) Summary of results
8.) Individual Responses by Site
9.) Copy of Survey form
10.) References
3.) Introduction
The Internet is no longer runs just TCP/IP, but other protocols
as well. ISO protocols are beginning to be used from the network
layer up. Since the Internet was built on IP, a connectionless
Network protocol, the addition of an ISO connectionless network
protocol (CLNP) ISO 8473 is a natural transition. National
Federal Agency Networks such as NSFNET, ESNet, and Nasa Science
Internet now support the CLNP service. A European Pilot (RARE-
WG4-CLNS) pilot project has paved the way for an IP and CLNP
backbone for Europe's future (EBONE '92).
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Besides national Federal Agency Networks supporting CLNP, other
national or regional network service providers are beginning to
support the CLNP service to expand their available service.
Since most of the routers used on the Internet will support both
IP and CLNP, the only issue is whether clients request the
service.
Companies have traditionally thought of the Internet as TCP/IP
only, so client requests to pass ISO application traffic on the
Internet are slow to appear. Yet OSI companies are spending lots
of money to do research, testing, and commerical use over private
lines instead of making use of the economies of scale within the
Internet. While electronic mail and ISO application testing fall
within the Acceptable use policy of the NSFNet and other Federal
Agencies, commerical traffic does not. However, several non-
Federal agency network service providers exists. These network
service providers may serve all of the US or part of the US.
Many of these network service providers interconnect and can
provide commerical service.
The Corporation for Open Systems International (COS) Inc. is
interested trying to associate the companies associated with it
on the Internet. These companies wanting OSI service are facing
a TCP/IP Internet which can do OSI. However, it is difficult to
know who to ask about OSI service.
Out of this rapidly changing environment, the need for this
survey was born. This survey tries to provide information about
the CLNP usage and service at each site that responded to this
survey. In many ways, the survey provides a guide book for OSI
match makers. This survey provides information for the company
wanting OSI service to find a network. Or a network service
provider to find OSI companies.
4.) What the Questions Survey Asked
IETF Network OSI Operational Working Group want to survey
networks in the Internet on their use of OSI CLNP (Connectionless
network Layer Protocol (CLNP)) ISO 8473[1] to pass data. To
support routing CLNP packets, routers require some "routing"
protocol. The routing protocol support may be static, or
proprietary or some ISO routing protocols such as:
o ES-IS protocol [2],
o IS-IS protocol [3], or
o IDRP protocol [4].
One popular proprietary protocol is the CISCO IGRP based OSI
routing.
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A network can provide the OSI service in many forms. This survey
has categorized this service in 4 types:
1.) Pilot -
The service is for demonstrations only.
2.) Prototype -
A first offering of CLNP which is limited to
a few sites.
3.) Experimental -
A guaranteed delivery, but the service may not be at
the
highest level.
4.) Production -
A guaranteed delivery with the service at the highest
level.
To provide good IP Internet network service, many Network
Operation Center have good network tools to debug problems.
Three often used tools to debug IP problems in the Internet are:
ping, traceroute, and the ability to dump IP routing tables. An
OSI versions of these basic tools are available on some routers
and end systems. The survey queried technical staff associated
with network operations about the availablity of these tools.
Networks are built to pass Application traffic across the
network. In order to look at what OSI application traffic is
passing across the Internet's CLNP services, the survey asked
about current and future OSI applications uses within a network.
Most Internet network service providers ( area or national
networks) are commerically based. Only if the network service
provider has clients that request a service, can the network
invest the money to provide this service. The survey asked what
OSI clients are using the network at this time.
DECNet Phase 5 is based on the OSI protocol stack. Besides using
the Internet to support the OSI applications, the survey queried
the users their current and future use of DECNet Phase 5.
4.) Timeframe for Survey
The initial timeframe for this survey was by February 27th.
Version 1 of this survey is published as a paper for the NOOP
group to few. The NOOP group will review the survey results at
the March IETF.
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Problems with the Survey questions - Version 1
1.) No questions were asked about FTAM and VT over
TCP/IP
2.) No Questions about the Network or Company were
asked.
Need to include questions about:
a.) Description of company
b.) area it serves
c.) Who to contact about CLNP service
d.) Where documents are kept on the current
OSI service
e.) Where routing plan documents are kept
f.) Who to contact about general network
questions
3.) Questions about Network Traffic unclear
The questions about the number of packets
past was unclear. Some people answered
this question for TCP/IP. Some people
4.) Email Addresses not requested for contacts
(Editor's note: Would the network service providers want to
leave an information email address for those trying to contact
the network about services.?)
answered this question for CLNP.
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4.) Time Frame of this Survey
Additional versions of this survey will be published monthly for
the next 6 months. The following is the schedule of cut-off
times for survey replies to be included in the next version of
the paper. At the July IETF, the current version of the paper
will be reviewed again. At that time a decision will be made
about the usefulness of continuing to publish the results of the
study monthly.
Version of Survey Cutoff Time for Replies Published
By
----------------- ----------------------- ----------
---
Version 1 March 7th March 14th
Version 2 March 31st April 7th
Version 3 April 30th May 7th
Version 4 May 31st June 7th
Version 5 June 31st July 7th
Version 6 July 31st August 7th
5) List of Responders to the Survey
Network Service Provider List
Network Service Provider Person Responding Date
------------------------ ----------------- ------
Berkley David Wasley 2/20/92
CICNET Linda Winkler 2/21/92
CONCert Alen Clegg 2/14/92
DataNet Juha Hienanen 2/14/92
ESNet Cathy Wittbrodt 3/6/92
ICMNet Mark Oros 2/21/92
MERIT/NSFNET Susan Hares 3/7/92
NEARNet John Curran
NorthWestNet Dan Jordt 2/20/92
NCSC (???) April B. Merrill 2/24/92
Sesquinet Bill Manning 2/12/92
UUNET Andrew Partan 2/20/92
WESTNET
- University of Utah Alan Cole 2/20/92
(Editor's note: Additional networks needed to get:
Nasa Science Network, rare-wg-4 CLNS sites, CICNET, Westnet at
University of Colorardo Boulder, MITRE, NIST, any participants in
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NOOP discussion.)
7.) Summary of Results between all sites
This section summarizes survey's collected. The sections summarize questions
on the survey:
7.1) Overview of OSI services
7.2) Support at Network Layer
7.3) OSI applications
7.4) Interest in Pilot Projects
7.5) DECNet Phase 5
7.6) Future CLNP
7.7) Future OSI applications
These sections try to group answers to the question. Most of these answers
are grouped in the following tables:
Section Table Name Contents of Table
7.1.1 Network Service Provider Whether network has
OSI related support support for CLNP, DECNet
Phase 5, OSI company, or
an OSI application
7.1.2 Company OSI Related Support Whether company has
support for CLNP, DECNet
Phase 5, an attachment
to the Internet, or an
OSI application
communication across the
Internet
7.2.1.1 Routing Software on Routers Number and types of
- Network Service Providers routers in network,
Number and types of
routers passing CLNP
traffic, Intra-Domain
Routing protocol, Inter-
Domain Routing Protocol
7.2.1.2 Routing Software on Routers same as 7.2.1.1
- Companies
7.2.2.1 Network Debugging tools on OSI: ping, traceroute,
Routers - Network Service and routing table dump
Providers
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7.2.3.1 Network Debugging tools on OSI:ping, traceroute,
Hosts - Network Service and routing table dump
Providers
7.3 OSI applications Vendor, software
7.4 Pilot Project Interest
7.5 DECNet Phase 5 Use
7.6 Future Use of OSI
applications
7.7 Future Use of TCP
applications over CLNP
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7.1) Summary of Support
7.1.1) Network Service Provider Support
Network CLNP support/ DECNET Traffic Companies use OSI
level of Network to Applications
service Pass OSI used
traffic
Berkeley no no none none
CICNET yes, none yet None Member sites
Prototype experimenting
with VT,
FTAM, X.400,
X.500
CONCERT yes, no no At Concert:
Experimental VT, FTAM,
X.400, X.500
DATANet yes, no yes, 4 FTAM, X.400,
Production companies
(RETIX, SUN,
HP, Novell)
ESNET yes, yes, *2 no FTAM, X.400,
Production*1 Experimental X.500
ICMNet yes, Prototype ? ? ?
MERIT/NSFNET yes, no no X.500, FTAM
Experimental
NEARNET yes, Pilot *3 no yes yes
NCSC yes, Prototype no no FTAM, CMIP
NorthWestNet no, no no no
Sesquinet yes, Pilot/ not yet *4 no X.500, FTAM,
Prototype Xwindows
UUNET yes, no Yes, RETIX not now
Production *5 but not
production
WESTNET - yes yes not yet, but FTAM
U of Utah plan to
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Notes from the Tables
*1 - (ESNET) " We consider the backbone service to be a production service, but
everyone realizes that CLNP is a new serivce and due to lack of experience with
CLNP, problems may not be solved as quicly as problems with our other production
services."
*2 - (ESNET) Some Experimental DECNet Phase V traffic that traverse our Backbone
*3 - (NEARNET) NEARNET will provide CLNS transport between OSI knowledgeable
members for the purpose of interoperability trails.
*4 - (Sesquinet) - "Not yet, depends on if ESNET will be using P5. NSI
and UNT may also be candidates."
*5 - (UUNET) "Production, but if running OSI interferes with running TCP, OSI
OSI will go".
(****Editor's note:
The following networks have been passing CLNP, but did not respond to the
OSI survey:
- NASA Science Network
- SURANET
- OSINET
- Members of the RARE-WG4-CLNS project
- MRNet
- MSCNet
- ANS
The following networks have expressed interest in passing CLNP:
- WESTNET - University of Colorado Boulder
- SDSC
- CERFNET
Responses will be solicited from these network service providers.)
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7.1.2) Company Support
(Editor's Note - ***
No Companies responded to the Survey. The information below is based on
knowledge of the editor. Companies will be solicited for the next version.****)
Company CLNP support DECNET Phase 5 Network Applications
Support Attached to
3COM yes no ?? FTAM, X.400,
X.500
Banyan yes no NEARNET ?? FTAM, X.400,
X.500
CDC yes
HP yes via
OSINET link
MITRE yes ? UUNET VT, FTAM,
X.400, X.500
NIST yes
The following Companies have expressed some interested in CLNP service:
COS, Boeing, GM-tech, Allen-Bradely, Novell, Pyramid, RETIX, GM, UNISYS
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7.2) OSI Network Layer Support
7.2.1) Routers - Routing Software
7.2.1.1) Network Service Providers
Network Total # of # of CLNP Intra-Domain Inter-Domain
routers/types routers/types Routing Routing
of routers of routers
CICNET 17 backbone 4routers / CISCO ISO IGRP static
routers/cisco cisco across
backbone,
static to site
CONCERT ? backbone 1 router / Sun Static static
routers/? Sparc Station
DATANET 350 20 routers / CISCO ISO IGRP CISCO ISO
routers/cisco cisco IGRP
ESNET 35 routers/ 30 routers / CISCO ISO Combination
cisco cisco IGRP, but plan of Cisco's
IS-IS when ISO-IGRP and
available static routes
*1
ICMNET 6 routers/ 2 routers/ Static Static
cisco cisco
MERIT/NSFNET 19 routers/ 19 routers/ NSFNET IS-IS static
(T1) IBM RT NSSs IBM RT NSSs kludge
NEARNET
NCSC ? routers/ 4 routers, Planning on Planning
cisco, cisco, IS-IS, ?static Static
Wellfleet, Wellfleet, now?
Network Network
Systems DX- Systems DX-
router router
Sesquinet 40 / cisco, 3 routers / CISCO ISO IGRP CISCO ISO
3com cisco IGRP and
static
SURANet
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UUNET 11 backbone 2/ cisco CISCO ISO IGRP Static
routers /
cisco (mostly Future:
AGS+) 5/ cisco *2
WESTNET - 9 routers/ 1 / cisco static, one static
U of Utah cisco subnet
Notes on the Table
-------------------
* 1 (ESNET) - "We use a combination of Cisco's ISO-IGRP and static routes
depending on what routers are on the other end, and where the routing domain
boundaries are.
*2 -(UUNET) - "I have 11 backbone routers. Of these, currently just 2 pass
CLNP. This will expand to 5 when 2 additional customers want OSIturned on.
When we get Cisco's 8.3(2), we will probably run OSI across our entire
backbone."
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7.2.1.2) Routers at Companies - Routing Software
Company Total # of # of routers Intra-Domain Inter-Domain
routers/ running CLNP/ Protocol Protcol
vendor (type) vendor (type)
NO companies replied to the Version 1 of the survey
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7.2.2) Routers - OSI Network Layer Tools
7.2.2.1) Network Service Providers
Network OSI Ping / OSI Traceroute OSI routing Quality of
vendors / vendors Table Dump Tools
CICNET yes/ cisco yes / cisco yes / cisco good
CONCERT yes/ Sun Sparc no/ Sun Sparc yes/ Sun Sparc ?
Station with Station with Station with
SunNet 7.x SunNet 7.X SunNet 7.X
DATANET yes/ cisco yes/ cisco yes/ cisco User
interface
fair
ESNET yes / cisco yes/ cisco ??? Work OK
ICMNet yes/ cisco yes/ cisco yes/ cisco no comment
MERIT/NSFNET yes/ IBM RT yes/ IBM RT Yes/ IBM RT Work OK
router router router
NEARNET yes / cisco yes / cisco yes /cisco OK
NCSC no/ cisco, no /same as no/ same as not
Wellfleet, and ping ping application
Network
Systems DX-
router
Sesquinet yes/ 3com, yes/ 3com, 3com and
yes/ 3com, cisco cisco Cisco have
cisco rudimentary
tools
UUNET yes/ cisco yes/ cisco yes/ cisco OK
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7.2.2.2) Network Debugging Tools on Routers - Companies
(No companies responded to the 1st version of the survey)
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7.2.3) Network Debugging Tools on Hosts
Company or Vendor OSI ping OSI traceroute Dump of OSI
Network routing
information
CICNET SUN (SunNet yes-short term no yes
7.0 & ISODE)
IBM RS6000 no? no? no
???
DEC - Phase 5 no? no? yes?
CONCERT SUN (SunNet yes no yes
7.0 & ISODE)
DATANET SUN (SunNet yes yes*1 yes
7.x & ISODE)
ESNET SUN
-SUNNet yes-short term no yes
-SunNet & yes-short term no yes
ISODE
-HP ? ? ?
MERIT SUN
- SUNNet 7.0 yes-short term no yes
and ISODE
NCSC SUN 4 - RETIX no no no
Sesquinet SUN - SunNet yes no yes
& ISODE
WestNet - DEC -
U of Utah Decstation ? ? ?
5000-125
(DECNET Phase
5)
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7.3) OSI Applications Supported
Company or Hardware VT / FTAM / X.400/ X.500/
Network Vendor/ stack stack stack stack
Service Software (Comments) (Comments) (Comments) (Comments)
Provider
CICNET SUN (SUNNet yes / yes / yes / yes /
7.x & ISODE) CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4 CLNP-TP4
TCP/IP? TCP/IP? TCP/IP TCP/IP
CICNET DEC yes/ yes / yes/ yes/
CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4,
TCP/IP? TCP/IP? TCP/IP? TCP/IP?
CICNET IBM RS6000 yes?/ yes/ yes/ yes/
(AIX 3.x and CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4,
?) ? ? TCP/IP? TCP/IP?
(?)
CONCERT SUN (SUNNet yes / yes / yes / yes /
7.x & ISODE) CLNP-TP4 CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4,
TCP/IP? TCP-IP? TCP/IP TCP/IP
(Pain to (Pain to (Pain to (Pain to
Configure) Configure) Configure) Configure)
DATANET SUN (SUNNet no yes/ yes/ no
?? & ISODE?) CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4,
TCP-IP TCP-ip
ESNET SUN (SUNNet) no yes/ yes/ no
CLNP-TP4 CLNP-TP4,
TCP-IP
ESNET SUN (SUNNet no yes/ yes/ yes/
& ISODE) CLNP-TP4 CLNP-TP4, CLNP-TP4
TCP-IP experi-
mental,
RFC 1006 -
production
ESNET HP Systems no no yes/
& PP software (future RFC1006
use) via PP
(6.0)
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MERIT SUN (SUNNet no yes/ no/ yes/
7.0 and CLNP-TP4 CLNP-TP4
ISODE) (experi
mental),
TCP/IP
production
NCSC SUN with no yes/ no no
(CMIP support RETIX CLNP-TP4
as well)
Sesquinet SUN (SUNNet no yes/ no yes/
7.0 & ISODE) ?TCP-IP TCP-IP
WESTNet - DECstation no yes/ no no
U of Utah 5100/125 CLNP
(ULTRIX)-
DECNet
Phase 5
Other applications:
1.) CMIP
Vendor: SUN system with RETIX software
stack: CLNP/TP4
ease of configuration: "VERY hard"
based on ISODE: no (not now, but possibly in the future)
Comments on Application Software:
A.) SunNet OSI/ISODE
1.) Source: Concert - "Painful to configure"
2.) Source: ESNET -
"All OSI products seem to take alot of knowledge to install, configure and
use. Once you gain the necessary expertise, then it becomes realtively easy to
maintain."
3.) Source: Sesquinet - "NOT" easy to use
B.) SUN system with RETIX software for FTAM and CMIP
1.) Source: NCSC - "Very Difficult" to use
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C.) DECstation 5000/125
1.) Source: Westnet -
Easy to use? "yes"
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7.4) Pilot Project Interest
Company or Currently a Interested Interest in Interest Test Bed
Network Part of a OSI Test bed at in at site if
Service Pilot Project application your site Test bed additional
Provider Pilot for OSI at your funds
Projects site for available
routers or
network
software
CICNET yes - VT, yes, VT, no no *1 yes
FTAM, FTAM,
X.400, X.500 X.400,
X.500
CONCERT yes - VT, yes- VT, yes ? yes
FTAM, X.400, FTAM,
X.500 X.400,
X.500
DATANET yes - X.400 yes - X.400 yes yes yes
and FTAM and FTAM
ESNET yes - yes? yes *2 Unsure *3 Unsure *4
PSI X.500
XNREN X.400
MERIT yes - yes yes yes yes
PSI/FOX X.500
NEARNET not applicable not no not not
applicable applicable applicabl
e
NCSC yes - FTAM, Not sure Could form no no
CMIP Test bed,
does not
exist
Sesquinet YES- ?? yes ? "In a
X.500 heart
FTAM beat"
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7.5) DECNET Phase 5
Future Use of DECNET
Company or DECNet DECNET DECNet DECNET Future
Network Phase 5 Phase 5 Phase 5 Phase 5 DECNet
Service routers hosts DNS Applications Phase 5
Provider use
CICNET no no no no yes
CONCERT no no no no ?
DATANET no no no no ?
ESNET some ? ? ? yes?
traffic
via cisco
MERIT-
Michnet no no no no yes
NSFNET no no no no no
NCSC no no no no Don't Know
NEARNet no no no no ?
NorthWest no no no no no - do
Net not anti-
cipate
demand
Sesquinet no no no no ?
UUNET no no no no ?
WESTNET - yes yes - ? FTAM yes
U of Utah DECStation multiuser
5000/125 host sends
(1 router) FTAM data
(1 host)
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7.6) Future Use of CLNP
Company or Route CLNP Route CLNP Need OSI Route CLNP Route CLNP
Network if Clients if IS-IS on Network only if only if
Service all routers Tools Clients, Clients,
Provider and IS-IS IS-IS, and
OSI Network
Tools
Berkeley *1 Prefer this Absolutely Might Need all to
provide
service
NCSC Don't Know Don't Know yes yes Don't Know
NorthWest No Decision Routers all yes No Decision No Decision
Net yet Cisco, will Yet Yet
route
without IS-
IS
WESTNet yes no yes yes yes
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7.7) Future Application Use
Network or Interested Interested Interested Interested Interested
Company in X.500 / in X.400 in FTAM in VT over: in Xwindows
over: over: over: TCP/IP or over:
TCP/IP or TCP/IP or TCP/IP or CLNP-TP4 or CLNP-TP4
CLNP-TP4 or CLNP-TP4 CLNP-TP4 or both
both or both both (X.25-TP0)
(X.25-TP0) (X.25-TP0)
Berkeley yes / yes - yes: yes: no
TCP-IP *1 if good TCP/IP TCP/IP
application
gateway to
SMTP/
over TCP-IP
*1
MERIT n/a yes: yes: yes: yes
both have CLNP have CLNP
try TCP/IP try TCP/IP
NEARNET yes / ?*2 yes / ? yes / ? yes / ? Unkownn
NorthWest Maybe *3 Maybe *3 Maybe *3 Maybe *3 Maybe *3
Net
NCSC yes / CLNP- yes / CLNP- yes / using yes / CLNP- yes
TP4 TP4 CLNP-TP4 TP4
now
WestNet yes/ both yes/ both yes/ both yes / both yes
*1 (BARRNET) Why X.500 or X.400 over CLNP?
*2 (NEARNET) - TCP over CLNP - No desire to use yet
*3 (NorthWestNet) - "Answer to future support is: 'When we get sufficient
interest from our memebership to generate a consensus within our Technical
Committee to begin investigations of all these OSI/IP permutations, we will do
so."
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Section 9 - Copy of the Survey form
Purpose for the Survey:
The IETF Network OSI Operational Working Group wants to find out details on OSI
use in the Internet. The results of the survey will be published as an FYI
document for the Internet. Any perople answering the Survey will be sent
Electronic copies of the FYI document on the results of the survey. As people
begin to use OSI on the Internet, they will be able to refer to this document to
find out who supports the ISO CLNP layer across the Network.
Timeframe for the Survey:
Please return this survey by February 27th. 1992. Results will be published as
a paper for the NOOP group by March 7th, 1992. Send response to skh@merit.edu.
(Editor's note: Even though the initial timeframe for the survey has passed,
A second version will be coming out by April 7th, 1992. Please send in your
response to skh@merit.edu.)
Introduction to the Survey:
Questions 1-6 are for those who route Connection Network Layer Packets (CLNP
ISO 8473) or DECNET Phase 5 traffic on their network. Questions 7-8 are for
those who do not yet route CLNP or DECNET Phase 5.
1.) Do you support the routing of Connection Network Layer Protocol (CLNP (ISO
8473)) packets on your network?
If so,
1.1) What number of routers do you have in your
network? How many of these routers pass
CLNP packets?
1.2) What router vendors do you use in your
network? What router vendors do you use
in the routers that are passing CLNP packets?
1.3) What type of intra-domain routing do you do within your
network? IS-IS? Cisco IGRP based OSI? static?
1.4) What type of inter-domain routing do you do?
Cisco poor-man's Inter-domain routing?
static?
1.5) Would you be interested in the new ISO Inter-Domain
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Routing Protocol (IDRP (ISO CD 10747)) when it
becomes available?
1.6) Do you consider the OSI service to be:
Production - guaranteed delivery and
high level of service,
Experimental - guaranteed delivery, but
service not at highest level
Prototype - A first offerings of CLNP which
is limited to a few sites, or
Pilot - For demonstrations and Pilot projects
only?
Please select the category nearest to your service.
You may include other comments to further qualify
this service level.
1.7) If you are running both IP and CLNP,
What do you consider your IP service -
Production, Experimental, Prototype, or
Pilot?
1.8) What amount of traffic do you pass per day,
per week and per month?
2.) Are you now routing DECNET Phase 5 traffic on your system?
If you are routing DECNET Phase 5:
a.) What type of routers are you using?
(manufacturer and model?
b.) How many routers do you have?
c.) What type of hosts are sending traffic?
d.) How many DECNET Phase 5 hosts do you have?
3.) Do you currently attach one or more OSI vendor company to your network? Do
any of these companies send OSI traffic across
the network?
If so,
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3.1) How many OSI companies are attached to your
network?
3.2) How many of these OSI companies send
application data regularly?
3.3) What are the companies attached to your network?
3.4) What applications are these companies using?
It would be helpful to list the applications
by company if that is possible.
3.5) Would any of these companies be interested
in "Pilot" projects to try exchanging OSI
applications with those people on the Internet.
4.) Do you support OSI applications at your network site?
If so,
4.1) What applications do you support?
Do you support:
X.500
X.400
FTAM
VT
Xwindows
SQL based applications
CMIP
(please answer yes or no to each applications)
others - please list with company
4.2) For each of the applications you answered yes
to above please indicate:
a.) equipment the application runs on
b.) does it run over CLNP/TP4 stack or
TCP/IP stack
c.) what vendor supplies the software
d.) any comments on how easy it is to use
e.) Is your application based on ISODE?
If so what version of ISODE?
4.3) Are you a part of a Pilot Project or testing
group for this application?
4.4) Would you be willing to be a part of a Pilot
Project or testing group for this application?
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4.5) Do you have a set of routers or hosts which
could form a "test bed" at your site?
4.6) Would you be willing to allow this test bed
(either a short term or long term basis)
to join with other test beds at other
networks to test out new software in the
Internet?
4.6) Would you be willing to have a "test bed"
at your site if additional funding for
this was available? Would you be willing
on either a short term or long term basis
to allow
5.) Do you have any of the following network tools
on your routers?
a.) OSI ping (or echo function)
b.) OSI traceroute
c.) OSI table dump
What routers have these functions? How would
you rate the User Interface to these network
tools - poor, fair, good, or excellent?
6.) Do you have any of the following network tools
on your hosts?
a.) OSI ping (or echo function)
b.) OSI traceroute
c.) OSI table dump
What hosts have these functions? How would
you rate the User Interface to these network
tools - poor, fair, good, or excellent?
7.) If you do not support switching CLNP packets today,
a.) Will you need to route DECNET Phase 5
in the future?
b.) Will you route CLNP packets if
you had clients that required OSI service?
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c.) Will you route CLNP packets only when
IS-IS was supported on all your routers?
(please indicate what types of routers
you use in your network)
d.) Will you need network tools (that supported an
osi ping, osi traceroute, and osi routing
table dump) to support CLNP in your network?
e.) Will you require both clients and IS-IS supported on
all your routers (b and c above)
f.) Will you require that you have OSI clients, IS-IS on all
your routers, and OSI network tools (b, c and d above)
Please answer yes or no to items a thru e. Additional
comments are also welcome.
8.) If you do not currently use an OSI application at your
site, please answer the following:
8.1) Would you be interested in X.500?
In X.500 over TCP/IP? In X.500
over CLNP?
8.2) Would you be interested in X.400?
in X.400 over TCP/IP? In X.400
over CLNP?
8.3) Would you be interested in FTAM over
ISO Transport Class 4 (TP4) and CLNP?
8.4) Would you be interested in FTAM over
ISO transport Class 0 (TP0) and X.25?
8.5) Would be interested in VT over TP and CLNP?
8.6) Would you be interested in trying out
TCP over CLNP?
8.7) Would you be interested in trying out
X-windows over CLNP?
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